11/23/2005

Happy Thanksgiving Day?

Focus on the Family wants to make sure that New Yorkers don't have a "Happy" Thanksgiving Day, at least in a "gay" way.

Instead of spending time with their own families (since they are SOOOOO family values-oriented, you know) on Thanksgiving, they would rather spend that precious family time pelting New Yorkers at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade with anti-tolerance ad campaign.

Focus on the Family has announced plans to distribute 5,000 balls during Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade to promote a website it operates that claims homosexuality is a disorder that can be changed through faith.

The balls - called "stress balls" are part of a major effort by FOF reach a wider audience during the holidays. Each ball carries the name of its advice site http://www.troubledwith.com. The Web site also carries faith-based advice on topics ranging from eating disorders to depression.

The balls will be tossed out by volunteers along the route and is not part of the official parade. Because they will be on public property there is little Macy's can do.

Last week the Colorado-Springs-based FOF began running ads on the giant electronic billboard in Times Square, and on Monday, it launched ads on "Dr. Phil" and "The Oprah Winfrey Show" on New York television stations.


This ad campaign is not an accident though.

The conservative ministry appears to be in a desperate search for new, younger followers to tune in to the radio show by Focus founder James Dobson. Web site creator Steve Watters told the Associated Press that the number of listeners has not been growing in recent years and that most people who call for help are in their late 40s.

These folks just need to get a life! What is it with this perpetual need to ruin perfectly happy events? Seriously, whatever happened to spending quality time with your OWN family? When people spend this much time worrying about other people's families and personal lives, they are surely neglecting their own and are bound to get a BIG bite in the ass one of these days.

FOCUS ON YOUR OWN DAMN FAMILY, DOBSON!!! (or at least go pick on another cartoon character)

24 Comments:

At 09:15, Blogger lovin' it said...

LOL! Did you actually bother to visit this website before getting so worked up about it?

A Christian organization puts up a website to offer advice on marriage, alchoholism, and the like,from a christian perspective. They pass out little balls advertising their site at a public parade, and that's enough to get you this upset? Sad.

I like you callie, but I gotta be honest here. You sound like you've got a real chip on your shoulder. Who in the world could they possibly hurt by passing out these little balls?

 
At 09:33, Blogger RedStateExile said...

Perhaps YOU should go back to that site and look at the "I Need Help With..." section.

I have a VERY legitimate reason to be bothered by it.

Besides, the point is that these "family-values" folks need to be spending time with their own families during the holidays if they care so much about families.

If I had a "real" chip on my shoulder, I'd be flying to NY right now so I could throw those balls back at them.

 
At 09:41, Blogger lovin' it said...

I did look at it. I assume you're upset because of the one reference to homosexuality. I even specifically read what they had to say on that link. It really seems to me that this is another example of you taking offense at the mere fact of disagreement with your position.

I don't know how they could possibly have stated their position in a less offensive manner then they did. You are taking offense to the position itself, not in the way it is expressed. If it is impossible to disagree with you on this topic without it making you angry, then you have a chip on your shoulder.

Lighten up a little. Live and let live. No one is going to read that site who doesn't want their help.

How many people are at the Macy's Parade, anyway? And you are singling them out for ridicule for spending maybe two hours away from their families for this? Please.

 
At 09:48, Blogger lovin' it said...

p.s. Contrary to popular leftist myth, Dobson never said that Spongebob was gay. What he objected to was gay activists using his image to promote their positions. He doesn't have any problem with the actual cartoon.

Just thought you should know.

 
At 10:17, Blogger RedStateExile said...

gay activists using his image to promote their positions

Exactly how??? I wasn't aware SpongeBob was the official gay mascot? Nobody told me!

Either comment by Dobson is ludicrous and delusional.

I have YET to see SpongeBob on ANY homepage of ANY gay organization saying "Hey kids, watch my show and you too can become gay!"

Malarcky, either way!

 
At 10:25, Blogger RedStateExile said...

Evidently, and as some of our prior conversations have shown, you don't understand the power of words.

It doesn't take much for an emotionally distraught person to infer messages from a publicly promoted website.

As someone with counseling training, I see the danger in randomly posting advice for the masses. It's not safe and it's certainly not appropriate to advertise it without understanding the individual needs of a client.

While the organization hopes to drum up more money, they are also promoting advice for life issues. The common person, esp. someone who may be emotionally fragile, can't differentiate between these or understand that maybe they need to take it with a grain of salt.

It wouldn't be any different than if I started posting advice columns on this blog then went out advertising it. If I NEVER meet with the people I'm advertising to one-on-one, it's simply dangerous.

 
At 10:28, Blogger Doogman said...

All I have to say is, if the Fockus on der Fambly folks toss their balls out in front of me, they'll get stomped.

The face of fascism today is the Rapture Right. They have no shame, they have no scruples - when America collapses into Civil War, they'll gladly line up your children and gun them down, then say prayers over the mass graves. They're insane. Period. Hitler LOVED people like them - easily led and fanatics to the bitter, bloody end.

These people do NOT believe in FREEDOM - they're more like the Cold War era Communists that they screeched about for decades.

 
At 10:42, Blogger RedStateExile said...

Stomp one for me while you're at it, Doogman. Having faith doesn't mean you lose your mind. Unfortunately, those who push religion to the extreme like these groups fixate on those who can't and don't think for themselves or are easily led by the next "cause." Too bad those causes can't seem to do more good than harm. :)

Thanks for your comments and welcome to my blog!

 
At 17:56, Blogger dorsano said...

Happy Thanksgiving, Callie - to you and everyone you love. Enjoy the weekend.

 
At 05:57, Blogger lovin' it said...

Callie - Ever hear of Dear Abbie?

doogman - Glad to hear from such an open minded, tolerant, non-judgemental person like yourself. LOL!

Of course you're right. The people most strongly fighting euthanasia and infanticide in america really are the next Nazis. That makes perfect sense.

 
At 09:43, Blogger lovin' it said...

Callie - For your information, here is a link to Dobson's actual statements about the use of Spongebob and other cartoon characters by an organization promoting gay issues. Decide for yourself if he called Spongebob gay or not.

http://www.family.org/docstudy/newsletters/a0035339.cfm

 
At 13:06, Blogger RedStateExile said...

Why the HELL are we talking about the sexual orientation of a cartoon character?! Who gives a shit?

Dobson brought it up first. That's the problem with this sorry ass country. We have so-called religious leaders with their panties in a wad over the sexuality of a cartoon when NOBODY was even considering that a cartoon could HAVE a sexuality.

Good grief! How idiotic can it get?

 
At 13:14, Blogger RedStateExile said...

Yes, I know who Dear Abby (with a "y") is. Sometimes she got it right and sometimes she said some pretty stupid things. I read her all the time growing up and even wrote her one time when I was trying to deal with coming out. I don't remember if it ever got published though. I was pretty young.

There were times when I would read her advice and think "I'm glad I'm not on the receiving end of that advice or I'd want to shoot myself!"

It's just not wise to try to give a one size fits all advice to the general populace.

 
At 13:28, Blogger lovin' it said...

Callie- Dobson didn't bring up the sexuality of a cartoon character! He was accused of doing it in the media, but it was a lie, a lie you perpetuated in your post. I was setting the record straight. That's the point.

 
At 13:45, Blogger RedStateExile said...

Try not getting something from Dobson site where he tried to cover his butt after making a fool of himself.

That's like actually believing the press releases from the White House. Bwahahahahahaha!!!

 
At 13:52, Blogger lovin' it said...

Whatever Callie. He didn't say it, never implied it, and in fact said the opposite. He opposed a gay advocacy site using Spongebob's image (and about 100 other cartoon characters) to promote their agenda.

If a neo-nazi site used Bob the Builder in an ad campaign and I objected, would that mean I was calling Bob the Builder a nazi? That's exactly what you are saying. It's just plain a misrepresentation of the facts.

 
At 14:12, Blogger RedStateExile said...

The mission of the We Are Family Foundation (the so-called gay organization) that set Dobson off so bad:

We Are Family Foundation celebrates our common humanity and the vision of a global family by creating and supporting programs that inspire and educate individuals of all ages about diversity, understanding, respect and multiculturalism; and to support those who are victims of intolerance.

Oh, horror!!! They want to teach kids about understanding and respecting diversity!!! What the hell is this world coming to when you can't even play "kick the spik" in school anymore?

You know, I think I even saw a reference to...tolerance. Eeeekk!!!

OMG! Hehehehehe, too funny!

 
At 14:15, Blogger RedStateExile said...

You know, I think someone may have gotten this poor organization confused with Rosie O'Donnell's cruise line "R Family Vacations" and the campy gay song "We are family."

TOO MUCH TIME ON SOMEONE'S HANDS!!!

{{{Snooooozzzzeeeee}}}

 
At 14:19, Blogger lovin' it said...

Callie - Did you read the article I posted? He addressed the question of whether or not he got the two organizations confused.

Even if he had, that is hardly the same thing as accusing a cartoon character of being gay. That he definitely didn't do.

p.s. I hate multiculturalism personally. Tolerance? Sure. But don't try to tell me all cultures are equal. You and I would both be in prison or dead in most Muslim countries. Me for preaching the gospel and you for being gay.

 
At 06:29, Blogger RedStateExile said...

So, you hate "a view, or policy, that immigrants, and others, should preserve their cultures with the different cultures interacting peacefully within one nation."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiculturalism

That's sad. I guess you would be like that guy that was sitting behind me at the Mexican restaurant last night and was irked because they were playing a Christmas song in Spanish. Well, DUH, dude! You want to hear English Christmas songs go eat at Cracker Barrel.

And you know what, if I was in the another country that I knew hated me enough to kill me, I wouldn't do something to piss them off. But this is America and we're supposed to be better than that.

Hate...indeed. That says it all.

 
At 07:37, Blogger lovin' it said...

Callie - My beef has nothing to do with foreign languages or funny looking hats. It has to do with culture.

Why do people come to america? Mostly because our country offers things: religious freedom, economic opportunity, civil rights, etc, that are lacking in their home countries. Immigrants are living proof that western style liberal democracy is preferable to most other social structures and forms. Otherwise they wouldn't come.

I have no beef with immigrants. I wish our system allowed at least double the current number of worker visas.

My disagreement is with people here, primarily the self styled elites, trying to tell us that all cultures are fundamentally equal. They are not. Totalitarian regimes that do not respect civil rights or grant economic freedom are inherently inferior to ours. Cultures that approve of female circumcision and the death penalty for being gay are objectively immoral. That type of thing.

The multiculturalism I'm against is the kind that tries to say the differences are just preferences, and not really a matter of universal right and wrong. I don't buy that for one second.

 
At 07:55, Blogger RedStateExile said...

Then you don't understand what true multiculturalism is.

True multiculturalism is not about approving of a foreign country that mutilates women or teaching that it is part of their culture and it's okay.

No, appreciating the value that another culture brings to our country in ideas, insights, intelligence, and resources is not the same as approving of the violent crimes committed in their home country.

Go to another country and they will really like our Levi's, Coca-Cola, and MTV, but that doesn't mean they support us killing women and children in Iraq.

Break the word down and you'll find that "multiculturalism" is about appreciating CULTURE, not supporting political beliefs.

Weird thing is, I think once again you and I may be on the same page, except you're just a little confused about why and how.

 
At 08:54, Blogger lovin' it said...

If by culture you mean sombraros, belly dancing, and chia tea, then I'm all for multiculturalism. I consider myself a lover of all those things. ;-)

When I think of culture, I tend to mean the more substantial stuff, like civil liberties, limits on governmental power, the rule of law, and the like. On those issues I have no desire to learn from others. I'm proud to say that western civilization has discovered the best ordering of society that's existed in the world since the garden of eden. There's nothing worth importing from others in these areas.

 
At 09:47, Blogger RedStateExile said...

I have no desire to learn from others.

Really???

It is unwise to be too sure of one's own wisdom. It is healthy to be reminded that the strongest might weaken and the wisest might err.
-Mahatma Gandhi

Learning from others doesn't make you weak, but it can keep you from making their mistakes.

 

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